John Bates

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From the book" Ancestors and Descendants of George and Margart e Bates MARTIN"
by - Lois Firmin

"He gave to the church of all saints to the High Altar 6s8d, t o the repair of the church Ð6, to a priest to "sing for my sou l for one whole year, 6 marks, to poor people for the health o f my soul for five years, Ð10, 2 every Christmas, to masses, on e to be of Our Lady, 12d. It was said of this church, "All th e way down the main aisle sleep our ancestors in the Godly compa ny of old neighbors."

John married . [Group Sheet]

1. Andrew Bates was born in in Lydd, Kent, England; died on 22 Feb 1532/33 in Lydd, Kent, England; was buried in All Hallows Parish, Lydd, England.
2. Thomas Bates

Thomas married Margaret. [Group Sheet]

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From the book "Ancestors and Descendants of George and Margarte Bates MARTIN"
- by Lois Firmin

"John Bates was a legendary soldier in the Battle of Agincourt."

John Bate 11-15-1415

This story of the Bates line that begins with John Bate b 10-25- 1415 All Hallows Parish, Lydd, Kent County, England, continues to Clement Bate b:01-22-1595 Lydd, Kent County, England, as the immigrant to the American Colony at Hingham, Massachusetts as the number 1 Bate of this line in America. It has been taken for the most part from two articles contributed to "Genealogy" (a weekly Journal of American ancestry) by Mrs. E. Grosvenor. The first appeared in the October 26, 1912 issue and the second in the January 1913 issue.

The details of the lineage as she has given it have been added to from Thermo Copies from the records of "The Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints" in Salt Lake City, Utah, where they were confirmed and authenticated. These records cover the above from John Bate of Kent, Eng., 1415 and carry on down to James Alexander Bates 12-1-1764 to 1814 of Montgomery County, Va., to Knox County, Tenn.

The records of the Church in Salt Lake City were also verified with the records of this lineage in the New England Historical and Genealogical Society.

Lydd was once a member of the Cinque Port of Romney and lies only four miles from the sea at which was the point of Dungeness, a perilous spot on the English Channel.

In the Domesday Book, in that part called the Bolden Book, a survey of the Palatinate of Durham made in 1183, it is recorded in medieval latin: "Obertus Bate tenet 17 Bovat.

An account of the Chamberlain and Church Warden, 1428 to 1484 and 1520 to 1558, the church of All Saints, Lydd, Kent County, England mentions the family Bate (Bates) as having been "important " in Lydd for three hundred years.

The interchange of the spelling of Bette, Batte, and Bate are said to have derived from Bartholomews son. In these forms the name changed through the centuries and finally became fixed as Bates in early American Colonial times.

An inscription is the Church of All Saints on which the date is "Ye 6 day-of September 1567 reads "...Bate of that ancient family in the town of Lydd."

Burke's Peerage gives the Coat of Arms: erect, a stag's head, pierced by an arrow: arms, on a shield sable, a fess between three dexter hands couped argent; motto, Et Corde et Manu.

A Bates "Rime" says:

Each man is a branch of a stout oak tree
After storm and stress it will stronger be;
In sum it should grow to its proudest size
Its roots in old earth, its crown in the skies
A branch is then what a man may be----
Part of the strength of the family tree.