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Robert Carter |
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c 1695 |
Henrico County, Virginia  |
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- Carters of Cartersville, Cumberland, VA - absolute and final Proof for Robert
Posted by: Rebecca Dyer (ID *****9053) Date: November 12, 2004 at 08:33:26
In Reply to: Re: Carters of Cartersville, Cumberland, VA by Peyton Carter of 17933
Supporting Evidence that Cartersville was named for the Carter family of Cumberland Co VA:
SOURCE: Abstracts of the Cumberland Co VA COB from Jun 1749 to May 1756, Shela S Fretwell, 1987, p79
Aug 26, 1751, p305: On the petition of ROBT CARTER leave is given him to open a road from his Ferry to Middle Rd near Triggs and the hands that used to work on Mr. Davis's Chappell Rd do open the Rd as far as Scott's Chappell Rd & ROBT CARTER is appointed Surveyor of the sd Rd.
SOURCE: Abstracts of the Cumberland Co VA COB from Jun 1749 to May 1756, Shela S Fretwell, 1987, p138
Mar 26, 1754, p156: ROBT CARTER is appointed Surveyor of Carter's Ferry Rd in the room of Joseph Epperson who is discharged.
- http://www.danielsfamilytree.com/bio.php?id=32741&cs=brown&lang=english
The Thomas of Goochland Clan
Name Robert of Cartersville Carter dna
Born 1695-11-10 Charles Parish, York Co VA
Died: 1759-- Cumberland Co VA
s/o 1. Susannah 2. Penele 3. Susannah and Thomas of Goochland Carter Sr.
Legal Mother:
Legal Father:
ID Sibling(s):
32806 Thomas of Goochland Carter Jr. dna
32807 John of Cumberland Carter
32809 Elizabeth Carter G.1.
32810 Joseph Carter G.1.
32808 Edward of Goochland Carter
33520 Stephen of Henry Co Carter
ID Spouse(s) - Marriage Dates: ID Children: (Those in italics are stepchildren)
32796 Mary Hulsey? Unknown 32797 Robert The Elder Carter
32799 Thomas of Mecklenburg Carter dna
32800 John of Cartersville Carter
33417 Patriot Charles Carter
32801 Mary Carter
32802 Susannah Carter
Personal Biography (in addition to the Narratives):
We have a birth record for the Robert Carter who is thought to be the Robert Carter of Cartersville who made the land purchase in Henrico County, Virginia in 1720.
http://genforum.genealogy.com/carter/messages/20929.html [Dan Wallace]
From records of Charles Parish, York:
Robert Carter, son of Thomas by Susan was born 10 Nov 1695. [But Of Course]
Hope Carter, daughter of Thomas by Suzan was born 17 Jun 1699 and died 14 Oct 1699.
If this is the same Robert Carter, that would make him about 24 years old at the time of the 1720 land purchase. Holly Carter Dunlap 28 May 2011
Yes ..... BUT .... where is Thomas Jr. and John of Cumberland -
who ALSO had to be born before 1700?
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Robert G. Carter b: ~1791
George W. Carter b: ~1826
?? Mary Hulsey Robert's wife's name is from Peyton Carter.
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Recap: Unknown wife, Thomas, Charles, John, Sussanah, Robert Jr., Mary, grandson Giles
Cumberland County, Virginia - Will Book I, 1749-1792, Page 183 - Will of Robert Carter,
dated 15 September 1753, ..............Aha! As long suspected, a six year gap ...........
Pro. May 28, 1759 ............................. between the writing and the probate ...............
Beloved wife; ..............Thomas Carter and John Carter, 400 a. on North side of Willises Creek; [sic - Willis Creek up NW] my son Charles Carter, 329 a. land where I now live;
grandson, Giles Carter, 160 a. where his father now lives, after his father's decease; *............... end land distribution ......... Robert Jr. not mentioned here, but grandson is ....................... **son, Thomas Carter, a negro boy son John Carter, a negro Betty; son Charles, 12 negroes; my daughter, Susannah Carter, negro Hannah;
my grandson, Giles Carter, negro Jack after his father's decease; * ............... end named Negroes ......... Robert Jr. not mentioned here, but grandson is ....................... ** son Robert Carter, 1 sh.; ***
.my daughter Mary, feather bed and furniture;
my son, Thomas, John, and Charles and my daughter, Susannah, the 2 negroes lent to my wife to be divided amongst them after my wife's decease.
Ex.: sons, Thomas and Charles Carter
Wit.: John Alexander, John Rowland, John Palmore, Dan'l Matthews
Of the children of Thomas Carter (1683 - 1738) of Goochland who remain in Cumberland County, there are only two: Robert Carter (? - 1757) and John (1725 - 1773, who marries Mary Fleming). The other children go to Buckingham County and Georgia. This Robert Carter has been confused many time to be the Robert Carter who is the son of Giles Carter Jr. and grandson of Giles Carter of Henrico Co (1634 - 1701). His will is found in Cumberland County, probated in 1759; [written in 1753] however, the land mentioned in his will matches with land deeds signed by Robert Carter, son of Thomas Carter of Goochland.
"Carter's ferry became the site of Cartersville in Oct. 1790, when the Virginia General Assembly authorized trustees to lay out the town on 27 acres of land that John Woodson (d. 1793) owned at the south landing. Established in 1744, the ferry was originally designated to run between "the land of Ashford Hughes, on the north side of James river," and "the land of Robert Carter" (apparently the deceased Robert "King" Carter) on the opposite shore, but by 1763 the land on both banks, including the ferry, belonged to the Hughes family, the family into which John Woodson married (HENING, 5:250, 6:16, 13:155, 171; WMQ, 1st ser., 11 [1902--3], 52--53)."
[Again, there is the separate and legitimate confusion created by the presence of the nearby Clifton Estate which is proven to King Robert].
5. Carters of Cartersville, Cumberland, VA - absolute and final Proof for Robert
Posted by: Rebecca Dyer (ID *****9053) Date: November 12, 2004 at 08:33:26
In Reply to: Re: Carters of Cartersville, Cumberland, VA by Peyton Carter of 17933
Supporting Evidence that Cartersville was named for the Carter family of Cumberland Co VA:
SOURCE: Abstracts of the Cumberland Co VA COB from Jun 1749 to May 1756, Shela S Fretwell, 1987, p79
Aug 26, 1751, p305: On the petition of ROBT CARTER leave is given him to open a road from his Ferry to Middle Rd near Triggs and the hands that used to work on Mr. Davis's Chappell Rd do open the Rd as far as Scott's Chappell Rd & ROBT CARTER is appointed Surveyor of the sd Rd.
SOURCE: Abstracts of the Cumberland Co VA COB from Jun 1749 to May 1756, Shela S Fretwell, 1987, p138
Mar 26, 1754, p156: ROBT CARTER is appointed Surveyor of Carter's Ferry Rd in the room of Joseph Epperson who is discharged.
6. GenForum posting of Mary Jean Voight Childress [proven to be an excellent researcher, who has provided critical material on the early Carter back in Albemarle/Amherst]
"For your information - of those surnames above, HOBSON, HUGHES and VAUGHAN's (early VA) married in to various branches of CHILDRESS! My children descend from the HOBSONS and in fact descend from a branch of HOBSON - CHILDRESS, this family were part founders of Cartersville in Cumberland County, VA. The VAUGHANS are legion, they had at least (by last account) about 7 marriages with Childress, small world".
MaryJean
Dick,
Sorry to have not responded to your message! I logged off and then couldn't get back on! But their going to send me my password, yikes.
Anyway, back to your question? I have a book which was sent to me by the author. It is in relation to the Hobson Chapel in VA and it has many Carters listed.
My children are direct Hobson descendants, not through me, but paternally. Their ancestor, William Hobson had a sister or daughter who married a Carter. So this is in the book to. An authority on this Hobson Chapel is George Hobson. I haven't corresponded with him for awhile, but he, myself, Barbara Hookings and the listowner for Hatcher-List, Nel Hatcher worked on these lines for months! We took all the deeds, wills and info on Carter to and came to some conclusions. At that time, all of us were struggling with all the confused lines, these included Childress to. As a John Hobson, father of William Hobson among others, married Sarah Childress and John Hobson was connected to the ownership of mills and etc., with the Carters. Anyway, I'll get the book out and do a search through it for what you asked. In the meantime, I recommend you see George Hobsons messages on the Hobson forum, along with Barbara Hookings. I'll post the info you asked about it if locatable. Thanks!
[Tobaccoville VA is in southern Powatan County, directly east of Cumberland County; there is a Route 13 that travels East to West between the two counties, no sign of a Route 113. Not sure of a connection back to Cartersville, on the northern edge of Cumberland. Details. Details. Details. Location.Location. Location!].
Hobson's Chapel United Methodist Church
Rt. 113 near Tobaccoville
Cumberland, VA 23040 492-4366]
[There is a Hobson Road down in the very Southeast corner of Cumberland County, just three or four miles south of Route 13].
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Email from D. B. Wallace on 30 May 2006:
There are a few more fact relating to Thomas of Goochland Carter that seem important. They should be posted to the forum at some point. Some of the following repeats what I may have already sent but it allows for the references I make to other paragraphs.
1. In 1720 Thomas Carter purchased [Henrico COB 719-1724/242] 100a in Henrico County, Virginia on the north side of the James River at the east end of the Licking hole survey of John Woodson. Another 200a was deeded at the same time to Robert Carter , Charles Huddlesey and John Webb. These transactions are recorded in Henrico County COB 1719-1724 by the Feb Court of 1722. All of the participants in these transactions must have been born prior to 1700.
2. On 17 Aug 1725 at the cost of 35 shillings, a patent [VPB 12/301] was issued for 327a to Robert Carter in Henrico County on the south side of the James River adjacent to Robert Hughes including 1 mile of river front that encompasses the present day town of Cartersville. The Carter tract joined the Hughes track at a corner ash on the river that was described in the Hughes patent as being near Huddlecey's fence. Although this Robert Carter was involved in several other land transactions, he remained on this parcel until his death in 1759 when this parcel of land was devised to his son Charles.
3. On 2 Nov 1726 Thomas Carter signed a will that recited:
To eldest son Robert , 1 yearling cow
To 2nd son Thomas , 1 yearling cow
To son John , 1 shilling
To son Edward, 1 shilling
To daughter ElIzabeth Carter, 1 shlillng
To son Joseph, all land I live on, 100 acres, but if he dies without Issue, then to my son Edward.
Personal estate to wife Penele, and she to be executrix.
The will was signed with a full signature and was witnessed by: Thomas Edwards, William Pledge, Dorothy (0) Pledge.
4. On 18 Nov 1729 Robert Carter of St James Parish, Goochland Co, deeded [DB 1/144] to Susannah Hulsey, widow, of same Parish, for ?30 , 100 acres of land on north side of James River between land of Henry Atkinson and John Webb, with all houses, etc, being land where Charles Hulsey did formerly dwell. Mary wife of Carter relinquished her dower right [OB 1/177]. The deed was signed with a mark (R) and witnessed by: John Webb and Joseph Ashlin. In a deed recorded on the same day Susannah conveyed this land together with another 100a to son Charles Hulsey. She signed this deed with a mark.
5. On 28 Sep 1730 Thomas Carter, Junior received a patent [VPB 14/144] for 200a on Fleming Park Creek on Leonard Ballow's line. Thomas Carter, Jr. would have been born prior to 1710.
6. On 3 Dec 1733 at the cost of 20 shillings a patent [VPB 15/133] was issued to Thomas Carter for 400a in Goochland Co. lying on Deep Run of Muddy Creek on the south side of the river adjacent to John Bullington.
7. On 8 Oct 1734 Thomas Carter deeded [DB 2/20] to John Carter for ?16, 200a in Goochland County on Deep Run. {Weisiger has it the other way around in his abstracts as does some of the body of the recorded deed but it is clearly recorded as being signed by Thomas}. The deed is signed by Thomas Carter with a full signature and there is no dower release.
8. On 4 Jun 1735 Thomas Carter and his wife Susannah deeded [DB 2/109] to John Creasy for ?10.10.00, the lower 200a of the Deep Run tract. The deed was signed by Thomas with a full signature and by Susannah with a mark and was witnessed by Charles Raley, William Matlock and John Sand {Weisiger couldn't decide whether it was Sane or Lane but I believe it was Sand}.
9. On 4 Jun 1735 Thomas Carter deeded [DB 2/90] to his son Edward Carter that land in Goochland County where Thomas Carter lived. The deed identifies the land as that bought from Tarlton Woodson as executor of John Woodson, being part of the Licking hole survey but does not give an acreage. Later, see (13.) below, in Edward Carter's will, two parts of the land are described. One part between the river and Beaverdam Creek and one part north of the creek. These two pieces comprise the 100 acres of the deed in (1.) above. The deed was signed with a full signature and witnessed by Charles Raley, William Matlock and John Sand.
10. On 8 Sep 1736 at the cost of 40 shillings a patent [VPB 17/165] was issued to Thomas Carter for 400a in Goochland County, lying on both sides of Turkey Cock Creek south of the James River. Nothing in the patent tells us which Thomas Carter was the recepient.{We will see later that this was in fact Thomas Carter, Junior as in (5.) above. The patent does not use Junior thus ether Thomas Carter was dead by this date and his will was not recorded for two years , or, the patent was just wrong. There are no transactions involving this land until 1757 when Thomas Carter deeded 100a of the tract to John McGuire, husband of his daughter Rebecca (21.) The terms of the patent were such that the land must be seated within 3 years of the date of the patent or risk the forfeiture of the patent by the grantor. The question is who moved there to seat the property?}
11. On 20 Mar 1739/40 Robert Carter deeded [DB 3/195] to Stephen Hughes for ?60, 100a in Goochland Co., on the north side of the James River, bounded as follows: beginning on the river at the upper corner of the land of Thomas Carter, deceased thence up the river fifty poles thence north, north east one mile to the bark line thence on the bark line 50 poles (east omitted) thence to the place begun at the course being south, south west . The deed was signed with a mark (R) and Mary relinquished her dower right. An accompanying memorandum states that John Webb had Robert Carter's bond for the land mentioned in the deed and having lost the bond does by those present discharge and acquit the said Robert Carter from the said bond provided that the said Carter do acknowledge the deed to Stephen Hughes and his heirs. Mary his wife relinquished her dower right.
12. On 15 Mar 1744/5 at the cost of 40 shillings a patent [VPB 23/842] was issued to Robert Carter for 400a in Goochland Co. on the north side of the Willis River. This tract was bounded by Philip Mayo, Benjamin Harrison and James Skelton and was later conveyed to sons Robert, Jr. and Thomas, see (20.) below.
13. On 28 Dec 1748 Edward Carter signed a will with his mark and it was recorded [DB 5/534] on 18 Apr 1749 in Goochland County witnessed by: John Payne, John Hampton, and William Grymes. The will recited: To my daughter Judith Carter, part of land where I now live between the river and Beaverdam Creek. If my wife is with child, then to that child, the other part of land I live on northeast side of of Beaverdam Creek. If not, then all to my daughter Judith. If my child or children die without issue, then all to my brother Stephan Carter. All rest to my wife Mary for life and then to my children. Executor: my brother John Carter. When his estate inventory (?24..8..6) was recorded [DB 6/14] on 15 Aug 1749 it identified him as Edward Carter, Senior.
This last entry 13. allows us to accurately locate the Thomas of Goochland Carter 100 acre plantation. An examination of a map of Goochland County shows a very short stretch of land where Beaverdam Creek is parallel to and less than a mile from the river and thus provides for a description such as is found in this will.
Although these land transactions raise many questions I thought you should have the benefit of this data in developing the arguments for the Thomas of Goochland pages on your website.
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Devin Timber |
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- [S67727] Mary Frances Reynolds Eggleston.
Thomas Carter s/o Giles1 of Turkey Isand m. 3 times; children of Thomas are Robert c 1695, Thomas c 16997, John c 1699, Edward c 1701, Elizabeth c 1703, Joseph c 1705;
Carters of Cartersville, Cumberland, VA - absolute and final Proof for Robert
Posted by: Rebecca Dyer (ID *****9053) Date: November 12, 2004 at 08:33:26
In Reply to: Re: Carters of Cartersville, Cumberland, VA by Peyton Carter of 17933
Supporting Evidence that Cartersville was named for the Carter family of Cumberland Co VA:
SOURCE: Abstracts of the Cumberland Co VA COB from Jun 1749 to May 1756, Shela S Fretwell, 1987, p79
Aug 26, 1751, p305: On the petition of ROBT CARTER leave is given him to open a road from his Ferry to Middle Rd near Triggs and the hands that used to work on Mr. Davis's Chappell Rd do open the Rd as far as Scott's Chappell Rd & ROBT CARTER is appointed Surveyor of the sd Rd.
SOURCE: Abstracts of the Cumberland Co VA COB from Jun 1749 to May 1756, Shela S Fretwell, 1987, p138
Mar 26, 1754, p156: ROBT CARTER is appointed Surveyor of Carter's Ferry Rd in the room of Joseph Epperson who is discharged.
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